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Croatia Lose In Turkey After Subašić Gaffe

September 4, 2017

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Manager Ante Čačić. Is it time for change at the top?

 

 

Croatia Starting XI vs. Turkey: Subašić; Vrsaljko, Lovren, Vida, Pivarić – Modrić, Badelj; Brozović, Kovačić, Perišić – Nikola Kalinić.

 

 

We can blame the missed penalty call for Croatia in the first half or Subašić for not punching that ball away, but that Croatia team that has way too much potential but forgets how to play ball is back. Perišić is blasting balls from 30 yards out with players in the box and the team as a whole is making way too many passes in the attacking third. There’s too much talent on this team to not score a goal or two against the Iceland’s and Turkey’s of the world. Yet here we are.

 

 

We can go back to locker room chemistry if that is the case which means manager Ante Čačić could soon be on the chopping block.

 

 

Subašić gaffe costs Croatia the a goal

 

 

The good news?

 

 

After a disaster 2-day game against Kosovo in Zagreb and the loss to Turkey, Croatia are still in 1st place. Barely. Only by goal differential.

 

 

Croatia are now tied with Iceland , who defeated Ukraine 2-0 Tuesday night, atop the group with both Ukraine and Turkey breathing down their necks only two points behind.

 

 

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All in all a disappointing result for Croatia from an even more disappointing display of attack, but it seems this side does this every qualifying campaign. They leave it till the end. And my God, the cardiac Croatians have done it once again.

 

 

Who do you blame for the loss to Croatia?

 

 

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  1. CiganJeCigan says:

    The total market value according to transfermarkt:

    Croatia~283m
    Turkey~150m
    Ukraine~83m
    Iceland~52m
    Kosovo~23m
    Finland~19m



  2. LAknat says:

    ……………Mandzukic………..Kalinic………………..
    ……Perisic………….Kramaric…………Vrsaljko…..
    ……………..Kovacic…………..Modric………………..
    ………….D Vida…….Lovren…….Mitrovic………….
    …………………………Subasic………………………….



  3. Soul Champ says:

    ZDS

    There is something deep in the heart of each and every Hrvat that walks this earth.

    I sense it will come out tomorrow in Istanbul.

    Heavy pitch , day less rest, etc …

    Nije bitno.

    U boj …

    Za narod svoj !



  4. T Bone says:

    I’d say the road game against Ukraine in October will be tougher. Croatia should win tomorrow but a draw is possible. Crystal ball does not foresee a loss. Croatia win 2-0. Perisic Kalinic strike.



  5. Dannyj says:

    Just looking at the standings
    There are 3-4 second place teams who could be dangerous in a playoff
    Wouldn’t we prob be pooled higher for a playoff if need be?



  6. Idemo says:

    @danny j

    From what I was reading I understood that the 2 federations decided on next day and that UEFA had nothing to do with it

    As I think it’s a terrible idea for next day as wll but I don’t see a single other option…..at all.



  7. Chopper says:

    I just don’t get how you guys can all be so confident that we’ll get a win in Turkey with only one days rest. Turkey aren’t great but they’re not Kosovo either so if we get a point that’s actually not that bad a result considering the last 48 hrs of travel and prep.



  8. Iggy Iggy says:

    im kinda expecting a loss so i wouldnt mind a draw

    i mean of course i hope im wrong and we win but i dont see any reason to be especially confident of that atm



  9. Dannyj says:

    It’s the only day of the week i have to have to work sadly
    I’ll be relying on u dečki for updates

    Ya it’s a scary game but let’s see what they are made of
    Like soul said they are fresh in the year and strong
    They have had their mess up. Time to put up or shut up

    Someone like kramaric/Kalinin/perisic gonna step up with a couple goals I hope

    And for petes sake can someone with talent in Croatia learn to play LB. watch in 5–10 years we will be stacked in that spot cause all the guys who hated on pranjic pushed their kids to play LB



  10. CiganJeCigan says:

    i just read an interesting article. you know how we always complain about hns choosing crappy opponents for friendlies that do not prepare our national team for tournaments. well suker may be on to something. fifa is thinking about changing the ranking system cuz some countries are abusing the system to be better seeded in tournaments and qualifiers. apparently some countries are strategically arranging fewer and fewer friendlies so that their ranking points are inflated relative to teams that play more friendlies against tougher opponents. As a result they are placed higher in the fifa rankings. Think about it, switzerland is somehow ranked 4th in the world, and poland is ranked 5th. poland lost 4-0 to denmark a few days ago.



  11. BZ says:

    @Laknat- might be first time anyone has ever told you this, but I love the lineup. We clearly need a change. Anemic wins versus crap teams do not sit well with me. With 1st tier talent like ours, we should be keeping teams back on their heels.

    That said, there is no way Cacic doesn’t play 4 back, with Rog or Badelj at CDM.

    @Dannyj-I’ll play. Perisic has the skillset to be an icredible wingback (when he is older), Mandzukic’s left foot not good enough nor is his dribbling. Who would be a better CB? Mandzo! Actually have seen him deliver some perfect long balls for Juventus, which surprised the shit out of me (on top of his solid defensive skills.)

    Cacic did talk to Srna, but with Vrsaljko back, Srna did not think his services were required. I would love to see Vrsaljko back at LB, & Srna at RB one last time.

    @Cigan-interesting post. Was wondering how Switzerland shot up there.

    @iggy-i can see a disappointing result. Turkey has improved since last year’s Euros; whereas we have taken a step backwards.



  12. Soul Champ says:

    @ BZ

    That line up is SLOW and predictable in the final third.

    I see Perišić as moving to striker like Ronaldo.

    He is just too good at scoring to waste him at LB.

    @ Svima

    Turkey is toast.

    Čačić needs to infuse the line up with fresh active legs in key hard running positions.

    Istanbul weather :

    20c/68f and DRY at kick off

    Flat tight grass field.

    It will feel like a country club for our boys after the Maksimir mess.

    3-1 Hrvatska !

    Iceland – Ukraine 2-2.



  13. Anonymous says:

    “Čačić needs to infuse the line up with fresh active legs in key hard running positions.”

    Who do you consider to be the stale and lazy legs in our side?



  14. ALT-HRVAT says:

    if we play Thompson songs on the team bus we will win. Only with a Nationlist blood lust can we win. Remember the Turks are our enemy. They killed and enslaved thousands of our people.
    Bernie Sanders Croats are yugo scum.



  15. Soul Champ says:

    Rakitic excused himself with “slightly” sore quadriceps.

    So he is an easy one.

    Mandžukić would be a great Super Mario Sub.

    Start Kalinic.

    Badelj is pedestrian in the best of circumstances.

    Marko “Robo” Rog needs to get in there.

    Pasalic is ready for some minutes as well.

    Modrić needs support as the Turks will be keen on chomping him down. Keep Modrić farther up the pitch where there incessant fouling will lead to dangerous free kicks.

    I pray Čačić makes rotations to start off with and early in the second half.



  16. LAknat says:

    Perisic will just waste many chances as He tries to shoot without looking for his position. better if he operates in a flank and delivers the ball with quick passes to the forward



  17. Dannyj says:

    Mandzukic would be awesome CB down the road
    Anyone know of any examples of guys that actually went striker to CB in years past?

    Ya playing modric further up would increase our chances of nice free kicks but I just have more faith in him controlling ball deeper. We need two modric and World Cup is ours

    Kovacic behind striker or would that negate his legs too much?

    My vote is kramaric behind striker cause of his long range shots Kalinic up front. Perisic delivering his crosses

    Any word on pjaca return? he’s been gone long time now



  18. BZ says:

    @Soul-you know I respect Perisic. He is World Class imo. What makes him World Class is his crossing/passing–he can do that from anywhere on the pitch. His goal scoring is slightly below average for a World Class winger. That said, he is our best goal scorer at the moment, which is why I think we need reinforcements up top. I know Perisic is too good to play anywhere other than winger, but just daydreaming.

    Prediction: 1-0 for the good guys with a typical Cacic lineup.

    3-0 with a god of Laknat lineup.



  19. Idemo says:

    Basketball did great. Played well. We were supposed to lose that game by double digits and it came to the end. Spain lost its temper allowing us to get back in foul plus 2 techs
    We were missing a clear play maker



  20. Dannyj says:

    Maybe rakitic being gone and maybe more full time will open up for rog and pasalic. It’s not like rakitic play is so monumental for us really
    One of these hungry kids may make a diff given the chance

    U guys think radosevic ever has a chance of doing something for us again??



  21. Idemo says:

    Badelj and kova

    Last time Kova played 10 against Iceland it was bad
    Let’s see what he does tonight

    You got what you wanted soul!



  22. Anonymous says:

    If we beat Turkey, then an Iceland win sets up (almost) as nicely for Cro as a tie does in that game.

    Even in that situation, a win in the next game at home against Finland pretty much assures a WC spot, cuz Iceland wld need to make up a 8 goal difference.

    Lots of “ifs” though. Just gotta go out and play well.



  23. Adame says:

    Anonymous was right with the lineup it looks like. Just sub one of those Lovren’s for a Vida and that what we’re working with.



  24. Mishko says:

    I really really wish you guys could hear the HRT1 pre-game. The guy talking is really calling like it is. We’ve got excellent players but they’re playing in a system that puts them out of their position.



  25. Mishko says:

    Idemo, I’m glad someone else said it. I dunno if it’s the pressure of filling Srna’s shoes but it’s pretty poor the last two games.



  26. Poglavnik says:

    I’ve always thought Vrsaljko’s service sucks. Other than his motor I don’t see much in his game.
    Must be our lack of LB’s that has us rating him so highly.



  27. Brkic says:

    Vrsaljko is coming off a long injury. He’s just rusty. Vida would have had his third goal if not for the handball. In fairness to the ref, I didn’t see it at full speed, but it was an obvious pen on the replay.

    Turkey has had a couple of chances against the run of play, but much better play from us. The decent pitch is making a big difference for our guys.



  28. Stef T.O says:

    Why do we continually play this style of pass, pass, pass and pass, 0 shots? Just terrible! It’s like that Mexico game all over again. How the hell can we change this mind set once and for all?



  29. LAknat says:

    like I said, perisic just threw away the chance!
    He should be at winger

    see the mighty LAknat lines up

    ……………Mandzukic………..Kalinic………………..
    ……Perisic………….Kramaric…………Vrsaljko…..
    ……………..Kovacic…………..Modric………………..
    ………….D Vida…….Lovren…….Mitrovic………….
    ……………………….Subasic………………………….



  30. Dannyj says:

    Wtf just checked the score
    So where does that leave things
    We have to win it out to get 1st?
    Is it still possible or we have to try to go the back route via playoff



  31. Rafael says:

    We would be tied for 1st with Iceland. We can thank Finland otherwise we would be probably going the playoff route.



  32. idemo says:

    yes but Cro is the one who has to go to Ukraine on the last match day in a must win game

    we either finish 1st or 3/4th



  33. the truth says:

    well although some call me a troll (the children), i have sadly been proven right yet again

    this team is just not that good

    my models had been picking this up that croatia was barely winning when they were doing well, which meant they were very likely to revert to the mean

    i highlighted the other day the lack of impressiveness of their goals and the poor results it would predict

    and sure enough. you have more of the same. it has now been 270 minutes of play with only 1 goal and that came on a lucky hit by a defender against the 180th ranked team in the world

    if you really want to know some of the flaws. here they are

    first: SPEED

    this team is incredibly slow, and unable to create the goals i’ve spoken of

    even mateo crotch-does-itch gets the ball with defenders at his back and field in front of them but can’t push forward

    say you want about the bust halilo-shit, but his appeal was at least he had that step

    2) psssss, don’t tell anyone, marcelo bozo-vic is not a winger, shhhhhhhh

    how many times do we have to watch this guy be unable to finish passes or effectively deliver crosses. as always terrible all around performance and he should probably stick to instagram

    and that’s really about it. team not too good outside of that. not much more to say

    model puts world cup odds back now to 35%



  34. bojan says:

    So I’ll be honest and say besides Lovren and Modric we played god awful! The passing and crossing were dreadful at times and quite frankly deserve this L. We looked really lost tonight, damn shame.



  35. Mr. Black says:

    I think it’s far from over. Most probably it will come to this;

    iLet’s say we beat Finland at home. Then the last game in Ukraine will decide it all:

    If we win, we qualify
    If we draw, maybe we qualify (I don’t see Iceland winning in Turkey) or we’ll play playoffs
    If we lose in Kiev, we don’t even reach the playoffs.



  36. Brkic says:

    Simple question, is Cacic getting the most out of this group?

    No issue with the subs, but I think a manager has immense impact on the system and mentality that a team employs… something is seriously wrong here.

    We should assume we have to win out to win the group which is very possible, but I don’t think we should expect much if we do quality.



  37. Anonymous says:

    There he is. Truth troll and his x-box “models” and simulations and claiming he has been proven right.. like that’s ever happened



  38. Anonymous says:

    I say this every year – we’re just not as good as we think we are. Lose to Iceland and Turkey? Seriously? I think Croatia will end up tied for third. Croatia will beat Finland, Ukraine will beat Kosovo, Turkey beats Iceland. Then Ukraine beats Croatia, Turkey beats Finland and Iceland beats Kosovo. Ukraine and Turkey would have 20 points, Croatia and Ukraine 19.



  39. Poglavnik says:

    Eat a dick Truth.
    Let’s see how many blowies you could give on 2 days rest after working in the rain.



  40. idemo says:

    CACIC OUT?!

    can you explain why? was it the subs this time? or was it his service in the box…oh wait the manager doesn’t play



  41. Mr. Black says:

    I don’t blame Cacic for this.

    Turkey is not a shit team, not too many team go win in Turkey. I think we did pretty well. We were the best team, created 5 or 6 good chances but didn’t manage to score.

    Turkey created only a few chances but our goalkeeper failed (I think for the first time for Hrvatska).

    We didn’t like Bilic, we hated Stimac, we didn’t like Kovac, we don’t like Cacic. I think Ivic was the only coach of our national team who was widely respected.

    I’m pretty sure that if the Savez would hire someone like Kek or Katanec, people here would start to complain after one loss.



  42. Anonymous says:

    This could be like 2010. Serbia in the WC and we’re sitting at home. Serbia pretty much clinched their group today.



  43. Croatianperson85 says:

    Am I the only one who feels Cro has been so predictable for a while ? We do the Simpsons “passes it, holds it, passes it” with horizontal passes in midfield and then we cross for a striker to head it and either he connects or we try and pounce on the rebound. When Mandza starts that is almost always the game plan but I feel we did it today as well without him starting. Opposing teams we should be better than (at least on paper) clog the middle and you’re only as good with headers as the crosses are. If service is not good, which it wasn’t, you have a shitty end product. Also as much as Srna was on his last legs I feel like he brought some passion and initiative that the team lacks.

    I’m not bashing Cacic but I feel like (just an observation) he shows up picks a starting 11 and the players will figure it out kind of coach. Zero change of tactic or game plan on the fly. That Turkey coach was Shaktars coach forever. I’d like to think he’s learned a thing or two playing in Champions league the last while.

    If Cro does not qualify this may be the best Cro team on paper to never play in a World Cup.



  44. Kralj Tomislav says:

    This game was going to be one of the toughest, if not the toughest in qualification, and old tv repairman Cacic didn’t find it smart to put on more fresh legs, younger players who are eager to play for Hrvatska?! Wtf, seeing Mandzukic and Brozovic fumbling about in half-sleep as usual, it makes me cringe. Modric, Lovren, Kovacic were good, Perisic also. Seeing that retard Mandzukic like a zombie on the field…God, if I had the opportunity I would smack him right in the face. He cost us the victory tonight, together with Brozovic and whatshisname that thrid retard. I’m too angry right now to even remember his name, just his face stuck to my retina.

    Fuck it, we might not even go to Russia now. Fuckkkk itttttt. Fuck fuck fuck.

    Brozovic to Mandzukic: Oy, mate, how was your flight down here?
    Mandzukic: Ah, it was relaxing, had a nap or two. Slept 10 hours last night at the hotel, thought I might take a nap now as well.
    Brozovic: Man, remember we’re playing an important match.
    Mandzukic: Against who? Where are we? On the pitch? I’m sleepy, Marcelo. So sleeeeepyyyy. Wake me up when the match is over.
    Brozovic: A nap actually sounds tempting. Think I’ll have one as well. We’ll ask the third retard to wake us up when the match is over.
    Third retard: I’m zzzzzleeeping too, boyos.
    Brozovic: Zzzzzzz
    Mandzukic: Zzzzzzzzzz

    Wake the fuck up, guys.



  45. CiganJeCigan says:

    Turkey played much better, did you see how calmly they passed the ball out from their defense even when we attempted to apply pressure. They always had at least two guys on Perisic when he tried to dribble. Aside from the nutmeg and beautiful low cross to mandzukic, modric just kept passing it right to turkish players.

    Lovren and Vida played good. Although i hate pivaric he played decent.

    Overall the team is horrendously slow and there is almost no chance of a fast break. Our midfielders just keep slowly passing and passing until we get in their final third, then we give a shit cross and lose the ball.



  46. Croatianperson85 says:

    Agreed with the tiredness comment as well. It looked like, as it did with Iceland, Cro came out ok with a tie and Turkey was not showing signs of winning until a Subasic error. That’s the way it goes sometimes.

    Have the last 3 results been a series of unfortunate events (weather, not enough rest etc) or is there a deeper underlying issue beyond our comprehension? Coach? Desire?



  47. Idemo says:

    Luka Modric at times was our fastest player…..going forward with urgency. I feel for that man coming from real for this Sunday league shit



  48. Anonymous says:

    Truth Troll as a weather man:
    -theres a chance, a chance it MIGHT not be sunny today. My prediction models say so.

    After a couple weeks, it inevitably rains. And there’s Truth Troll saying, “see! I told you! I was right”

    Same thing he used to do as Troll Ziva. Vague generalities about possible less than optimal outcomes with bets hedged, then when the negative eventually happens, he claims he was right.



  49. Rafael says:

    Gentleman-

    Relaxxxxx:

    Blatant hand ball in the 1st half not called. Disgusting non call. If we were Germany, England or Brazil the referee makes that call.
    Perisic missed a nice sitter in the 2nd half.

    We always need to play with our backs against the wall. We are NEVER capable of setting the pace in qualification and blowing through a group qualification with ease. It is simply never a reality for us. We have two must win games and we will win them.Did we make our lives a hell of a lot tougher? Sure however this is all normal.

    Cacic isn’t to blame. ZA DOM SPREMNI!



  50. David Tarabocchia says:

    Tough loss against Turkey for sure. But, next two games are a must win. It wouldn’t hurt to have Srna back and play him as a sub. He was inspirational for the team!



  51. Iggy Iggy says:

    Just saw the results, not too bad

    i expected a loss here so no biggy, the results all round are not bad cos Iceland won 2-0 against Ukraine.

    Everyone saying we must win the next two games is completely wrong, we just need 4 points if Turkey doesn’t lose (at home) to Iceland in the next match.

    So basically we beat finland and just match whatever iceland does v turkey and we’re good, we can’t be overtaken cos our goal diff is twice as good as everyone else’s so we’re definitely in the box seat

    everyone whinging “we have to play ukraine away wah wah wah”, iceland is the only team that can overtake us if we get 4 points – which should be our aim – and they have to win in turkey, do u really think that’s likely?



  52. Chopper says:

    I knew this was going to be tough after only a day rest. That plus 5 goal diff is crucial and we need a couple more against the Fins to ensure a buffer. It’ll come down to Ukraine who we should smash!



  53. Chopper says:

    Iggy, Iceland play Kosovo in the last game and if they beat them say 5 nil then we lose top spot. Need goals against Finland to make sure of it



  54. Poglavnik says:

    I’d be seriously surprised if Iceland could put 5 past anyone!
    And if they could then kudos to them. They would deserve to be there.



  55. Anonymous says:

    Assuming Iceland and Turkey tie, then Croatia would have a goal difference advantage of 5 plus whatever difference they beat Finland. Say Croatia beat Finland 2-0, then a Croatia tie vs. Ukraine would ensure first place, unless Iceland beat Kosovo 7-0.



  56. Iggy Iggy says:

    Yeah exactly, im assuming we beat finland which would mean that Iceland would need at least 6 goals – no wait, 7 cos head to head we are also ahead of them

    so im not really concerned about that, like i said 4 points from last 2 games should be enough
    the difficult thing is trying to get a draw in ukraine

    no idea why some of u ppl are saying “we should smash ukraine in kyiv”.. i mean, on what evidence? a draw would be a major accomplishment just as it would’ve been away to turkey



  57. The truth says:

    Look i waa ringing alarm bells not to be fooled by Croatias position in the table. And sure enough 270 scoreless minutes follow

    I an interesting note, it seems to be a common practice by Croatian teams to start qualification great and then choke away at the end. Maybe it’s just mean reversion

    Not being able to score on this disaster of a Turkish team though is a major disappointment. This team has been in unorganized shambles

    It’s going to be really tough for cro. If they lose to Ukraine, there’s a good chance they are eliminated. Cause Ukraine will emerge with six points and Iceland at least 3 (both play kosovo) with a tie for Iceland vs Turkey giving it the edge. Don’t forget we have to beat Finland which is far from a given!. My model puts it at 55 percent, 30 precent tie, 15 percent loss.



  58. Anonymous says:

    “I’m not penciling in 3 points vs Finland. At all”

    Finland will be motivated for sure, hopefully “quality” can beat out motivation?



  59. Iggy Iggy says:

    i was very impressed with how ukraine played in zagreb when we won 1-0 and i remember thinking at the time it’s gonna be hard over there so that one’s a worry



  60. Anonymous says:

    Trying to ascertain if you believe Croatia has quality.

    Surely you wont be saying before the Finland game “let’s see if quality can beat out an unmotivated Finland”? If quality can not beat out an unmotivated Finland, then there’s no quality in this team.

    So I ask you, what quality do we have???



  61. Idemo says:

    Finland has aboalutely no motivation they are out……this was a must win for turkey hence motivation…..are you missing a few screws?



  62. Idemo says:

    Of course I won’t be saying it before the Finland game because they have nothing to play for? I don’t understand what you’re getting at pal.



  63. T Bone says:

    Shit game. My crystal ball is faulty (2-1 prediction). A couple early chances missed, the handball (I didn’t see it), and the glaring second half miss by Perisic (he had more than enough time to walk in and make a better shot) tell me the game could have been at best 1-0 Croatia or 1-1. Overall though the team did look slow, defenders were solid, Luka played well, but some of the ‘stars’ failed to impress, i.e. Perisic, Mandzu, Broz. Kalinic and Brozovic looked fairly bad tbh.

    I can see Cro not qualifying but they should have enough in the tank to come up with the needed points in a months time.

    Yes Finland beat both Iceland and Kosovo but if Cro can’t beat Finland at home they shouldn’t be in Russia anyway. The match in Ukraine is tough yes but Ukraine had two non legit goals count against Turkey (1 clear offside, 1 assist ball from a clear out of bounds position). Right now Cro far from a lock to get 6 points from the last two matches but with the WC on the line you’d think they should.

    T-Bone out.



  64. Dman says:

    YOu guys are fucking high, Cacic has some of the best players in the world at his disposal he clearly cant motivate the team, we play slow, non attacking kickball…we need an outspoken motivating coach, the talent is already there…maybe we need Ciro Blazevic….if not Ciro Id take Cico again…we played solid socer with cico…watch the games



  65. Idemo says:

    I agree t bone….kovacic was very poor as well, few times they had to tell him to stay high and he looked useless as a 10….constantly losing the ball in advanced positions while dribbling



  66. Ernest says:

    Not sure if anyone confirm but i am pretty sure the last time we missed the world cup it was at the hands of Ukraine too.



  67. Chopper says:

    Yep, Ukraine beat us 1 nil to claim 2nd spot for 2010 WC with England finishing top of the group. We will smash the Find maybe 3 nil and then it all comes down to Kiev.



  68. LAknat says:

    Clearly, we need a better coaching and better strategy plus magnificent lines up that convey potential of players.

    ……………Mandzukic………..Kalinic………………..
    ……Perisic………….Kramaric…………Vrsaljko…..
    ……………..Kovacic…………..Modric………………..
    ………….D Vida…….Lovren…….Mitrovic………….
    ……………………….Subasic………………………….

    bear in mind for Perisic that he just give low cross after successfully pass the defense (He just suck in finishing)
    He just threw away a great chance by his lack shoot on goal.



  69. Idemo says:

    @ernest @ernest
    I thought Ukraine beat England in the last game of that campaign something like 3-2 what knocked us out …..not sure



  70. Idemo says:

    Thinking about this…..I don’t think we have ever been this freaked out by being in 1st place. It’s evident we don’t think we can win in Ukraine. Scary.



  71. Poglavnik says:

    No it was England not trying for the win that got Ukraine in. English payback on us for boucing them in Euro 2008 qualifying.



  72. The truth says:

    Well the reason to be freaked out is that the odds of Croatia not making it are rather high. Probably about 65 percent more according to my model. A loss to Ukraine makes it very daunting



  73. Anonymous says:

    Truth Troll’s models. A might happen, B could happen, or C could happen. Win, lose, draw… all might happen.
    Brilliant predictions Nostradamus.



  74. Slavonac from Canada says:

    I only saw parts of the game so my comments aren’t based on this alone.

    Perisic has slipped in his performances. He hardly ever makes that last 3rd of the field type of play he used to.

    Brozovic is not an attacker in my opinion, he provides terrible service and when he was effective, it was because he was defensively strong and ran miles.

    All you Kalinic jock sniffers should be embarrassed. He’s always been a mediocre player at best…did well when he was in top form and had a streak going but otherwise he’s unbearable to watch! I’m tired of listening to people rant about him, he sucks balls! I’d rather see Kramaric get his minutes!

    This team lacks the same thing as always…leadership is zero!



  75. anon says:

    This team is pure garbage. The worst in our history. Have a look at their qualifying so far. Pathetic.
    Cacic doesnt know what to do. So many stars to play and yet they cant beat your local sunday park side.
    Whatever the root cause is these players have no desire – zero motivation to play for their country.
    They feel no shame or embarassment losing to the weakest teams. That in itself should be some motivation. They dont care about losing.

    Last 2 matches are a forgone conclusion. Losses. Anyone who expects them now to win the last 2 matches is deluded.
    The whole team are a pack of limp dick poofters.



  76. Dannyj says:

    Sad that we need srna to come out of retirement to help us
    But I for one would be ok seeing this
    Just for his leadership
    And what better then to play in Ukraine!



  77. Poglavnik says:

    We had our chances and didn’t take em. Easy to get bit in the ass when you’re in an environment like that and they’ve got way more to lose.
    I’m not embarrassed of this result.
    Barring we make it of course, I wouldn’t want these guys coasting into the WC with a couple of games in hand. These guys need to learn to battle and struggle. Build some character for those knockout games.



  78. Stojko Vrankovic hook shot says:

    Perisic missed a wide open goal. No wonder Man U snubbed him. Cacic could have scored that fucking goal. The vatreni is extinguished. It has been for a long time. Soft.



  79. Iggy says:

    Hey Truth what are the odds in the game vs Ukraine? Odds of a draw there?

    Yeah it’s a below par qualy campaign, already lost 2 games which is prolly one more than i would like to see.

    The issue with the Ukraine game is it’s gonna be a high pressure winner takes all affair, and u know what that means guys

    MENTAL MIDGET TIME

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL



  80. Dannyj says:

    It’s not like the first time to squeak into a tourney
    We still have a better then decent chance

    I bet though there is lots of crap behind scenes going on
    Need someone to grab the bull by horns and take us to promise land



  81. BZ says:

    I said what I needed to say before the game.

    1) Perisic below avg scorer for a World Class winger, he can play back and still use his world class dribbling/speed/passes to our advantage.
    2) Not going to be elite w Pivaric starting
    3) Brozovic overachieved early on (kudos to him), but he is nothing more than a late game sub when we need a desperation goal.
    4) Badelj/Pasalic roles are too conservative with 4 backs.

    Rusty Vrsaljko had an off game. Scary cause same crap might happen to Pjaca in October. He might play 1 game for Juve & then deliver a stinker in an important game for us. Not sure I want a rusty Pjaca to play unless he gets significant minutes soon.

    Hand ball was clear as day. Refs just making up for screwing Turkey on the 2 bs goals Ukraine scored vs them. No way you miss that at field level. Ref knew if it wasn’t a hand ball, then all of Turkey might revolt. The defender would’ve had to literally catch the ball for the ref to make the call.



  82. LAknat says:

    Coach is really mattered you fool.
    Players can make an opportunity with their skill (effective), but Coach should ease them with a better strategy (efficient).



  83. Iggy says:

    I mean as an aussie i find it funny how some of u fuckers are saying we’re gonna lose both games and we’re out

    australia couldnt beat thailand in this campaign, had four draws to begin and finished 3rd behind saudis and japan and now has to play off against SYRIA (lol) to advance to another playoff from CONCACAF (fuck i hope it’s USA!) just to get in

    i mean, from HRV perspective, keep in mind, WE ARE STILL IN FIRST SPOT.. no need to sack everyone and renounce citizenship just yet d00ds, lol

    we’ll make it ;)



  84. The truth says:

    @ iggy

    I’m pulling odds for the Ukraine game as follows. Win 30 percent, loss 35 percent, tie 35 percent. A real coin toss of an event

    While chatting, i shouldn’t mentioned the vrsaljkoholic. (Addicted to riding benches, terrible crosses, and creepy mustaches)

    This is the guy so many were excited for?! Overhyped as always. The guy couldn’t put in a decent cross and even more worrying he couldn’t even get them off half the time. Srna in his prime appeared much better. Maybe even at the end

    Say what you want about srna. Even though everyone knew he couldn’t go left AT ALL, he still kept figuring out ways to get those right footed crosses off



  85. Anonymous says:

    Hns pederi nogomet ste sjebali nije kriv cacic nego vrh hnsa nitk9ga u hrvatskoj ne prati repku unistili su sve neka ih sram hns gotovo je gotovo



  86. Iggy Iggy says:

    wow yeah that’s an even split, 30/35/35

    well, if im right and we only need a draw, we have, what, a 65% chance then?

    not bad ! : )



  87. Crotown says:

    Until the domestic league is cleaned up of all scamming and corruption ,I’m afraid we’ll continue to be a good soccer country but never in the top tier of the soccer world. What separates us from the beginning [I’d say 98] is that our boys play around the world obviously money is so much better and the homegrown teams can’t offer that- we’ve lost what the whole thing was about- nationalism and the power of the checkers.

    Today, the boys play because it’s a chance to be seen by another club team and if they play well -more money. If they
    don’t play well, so what.

    We need to build the Prva Liga with legit teams and build the
    Croatian junior program-easier said than done but otherwise
    it’s a cycle of barely making world cup and then losing to crap teams like Turkey- interesting to hear what people think the checkers mean to the players in the modern age vs what they meant post war – ????



  88. Veliki hrvat says:

    Wow just looked at result and dont know what to say
    Born croatia but a shame with talent we have playing for
    World class teams we could not get a result against turkey. Wtf lost for words. Would be playing my heart
    Out for my country if chosen but really someone
    Please explain why as a team of professional’s we cannot get results. Sorry this is just F up. With players in top grade spanish league and German leagues and other major leagues what the hell is going on. As a born hrvat its giving me the shits. Is it coach not not drilling it right into the players or players not giving a shit about there country . ( as its all about the money honey. )and just to there team commitments. My apologies for my waffle but if i get chosen to represent my country i go all out.
    I was born in croatia and F me and moved to Australia but still bleed for our own players to pull there fingers out of our
    A HOLES and go hard for ur country if given the chance. . FUCK ME. GO HARD OR F Off.

    Good night and zivila Hrvatska



  89. Veliki hrvat says:

    Wow just read australia v thailand. 2 downers in 1 night.
    Bring back the croatian based players like 10-14 yrs ago at least they played for there country . If either team dont quality i give up on following football. Arghhhhh.



  90. Idemo says:

    We only have a winning record Aganist 1 team that matters
    We are 3/6 with Iceland
    And 1/6 with turkey
    3/3 with Ukraine TBD



  91. Anonymous says:

    Iggy stop engaging the troll as if his opinions are based on anything. He’s just making up numbers and calling them odds based on his modeling… He’s a child playing Xbox and claiming “according to my simulations”. Heck, his predictions and odds are pretty much that anything could happen… no duh



  92. CiganJeCigan says:

    They play with little motivation and it appears they dont mind losing. But i think the biggest issue is there are no leaders in the squad, therefore not much intensity.



  93. Kralj Tomislav says:

    Predictions made by the Truth (aka Ziva) after he looks into his crystal ball(s): It’s a three-way possible outcome. Win 33.3%, draw 33.3% and loss 33.3%. He’s smoking ganja and scratching his half-turkish balls, they are the size of marbles, no more. Chance of making his girlfirend/wife pregnant is 0%, he doesn’t have one. That’s the only 100% sure prediction you could ever get from that sorry excuse for a human being.

    Now, back to adult talk. Did anyone read the sad comment from Cacic after the game? Basically he’s content with the performance against Turkey. He’s happy with the way the team played and it gives him reason to be optimistic. Man, he must be smoking some heavy shit, too. Maybe Ziva aka the Truth is an old friend of his?

    https://www.vecernji.hr/sport/cacic-veseli-me-nasa-igra-ona-mi-daje-razloga-za-optimizam-1192722



  94. Lika Joey says:

    If Finland can get a fluke goal and bunker…we are in tough! People on this site that say we will smash Ukraine are delusional…we are a better side but they are a formidable opponent.



  95. Poglavnik says:

    I didn’t think we played that badly either. We should’ve won that game. And it was in a hostile environment against a team more desperate than ours and better rested.
    Sure the result opened the group right up but Cacic is right not to get everyone in panic mode.



  96. Poglavnik says:

    Must-wins in October and November we can usually handle.
    It’s those must-wins in June that we suck at.



  97. Idemo says:

    Huston we have a problem.

    When calculating the best second placed teams the points and. Goals against the worst placed teams get thrown out (Kosovo)

    Strong case for us being the worst 2nd place team and not even going to playoff



  98. The truth says:

    @ krajalica tomislava
    Well the real the model spits out odds that are close to 1/3 for each outcome is because Croatia and Ukraine are very evenly matched. I’m confused what you’d expect it to produce.

    For example though, if i replace Croatia with Germany, odds look at follows 70 percent win, 20 percent tie, 10 percent loss

    The model is simply mostly using past performance (measured largely in quality chances created vs given up, not w/ld) with a recency bias and a home field variable.



  99. Kralj Tomislav says:

    Da truth (sorta kinda),
    I’m not interested in your reply at all, bozo. 33.3% either way could be anyone’s calculation, it’s a safe bet. Sooner or later anyone’s prediction will come through. Let the dice roll, read tea leaves, tarot cards, whatever soothes your strange itch. Better stick to your ball scratching and video games. This is a forum where adults discuss sports and such.



  100. The truth says:

    @ krajlica tomislava

    It seems I’ve been right more often than the crowd. I’ve long been predicting the challenge Croatia will face in winning the group. As well as highlighting the overhyped youth. Stay tune for my hoops preview



  101. Anonymous says:

    How does claiming any outcome is possible equate to “I was right”? Of course you were right,; if you predict anything might happen, then you will never be wrong.



  102. Anonymous says:

    I was right again everybody! I predicted it could be a win, loss, or draw, and it turned out that way!
    Truth Troll the amazing Oracle.



  103. Dannyj says:

    I’m telling u guys
    Srna coming back to play in Ukraine!
    I’d rather have an out of place vrsajlko on the left side then pivaric and age aside srna gonna run his heart out for us



  104. Andrej L says:

    I liked seeing Kova out there to start but he couldn’t fit in that role which Rakitic plays for us in helping be an outlet for the mid/def to help start plays. Hate to use excuses but they seemed a bit flat offensively early on which could be a fatigue issue after only one day rest.

    Shitty loss but clearly no need to panic or make any drastic changes. Hopefully, Rakitic and Corluka are back for the final two games because we missed their passing range.



  105. anon says:

    Can everyone stop calling these poofs Vatreni. They are nowhere near vatreni 98!!!

    We played our best vs spain with the B team and recently team z beat mexico A. Conclusion beyond any doubt that the team is better without the A team lazy poofs. Cacic hasnt learned this. He or other needs to look elsewhere for players that want to play and not pretend.



  106. LAknat says:

    This team should need to be blessed with a God presence:
    The God of Halilovic multi-talented
    The Goodfooter Simunovic with his righteousness tackle,

    why Stupid Cacic even waste the talents. He just picks up from third dimension local league that barely reach champions cup.



  107. Iggy Iggy says:

    You EEDIOTS talking about things like lineup and strategy have it all wrong

    someone above hit the nail on the head, the issue is Cacic for some reason decided to grow a dicky beard and betray his Mucho Cacic status.. he’s like Samson where he needs his hair to be kept as is!

    If i see him before the next games and he has shaved face but his usual moustache then i know we’ll win

    but if he walks out with a beard or some weird shit like now, we’re in deep shit !



  108. Anonymous says:

    Rakitić wasn’t playing?
    Weird. I assumed he was out there and playing just as much of a role as he usually does for the repka.



  109. Poglavnik says:

    ^ ^
    Ha! U mean his usual invisible self.
    We’ll be fine boys. We’ve got a very good team. Maybe not elite but very good. Seems like most here want to call them elite one minute and/or shit the next. We’re neither of the two.
    I don’t understand where some of u get off setting the bar so high? Crushing Turkey or Ukraine on the road, seriously?! What decent team have we ever crushed on the road? England 10 years ago is all that comes to mind and even that was a very overrated performance.
    Scott Carson had an abysmal day. They roared back from 2 down to draw us until Petric fired in the winner in the last 15 minutes.



  110. Iggy Iggy says:

    winning away to teams like turkey and ukraine is not expected for anyone, even for teams like germany and spain that’s a terrific result and not wholly expected

    away games are fucking hard, that’s how europe is and always has been, it’s hard for everyone and winning away against solid teams is a fantastic achievement



  111. BZ says:

    We have the talent to put away teams easily. We just have not been able to experiment enough to find the proper lineup. That is the biggest issue with these losses. Cacic has no room to experiment, so we get a safe but anemic style of play (which has lost recently, & will continue to lose if we go to the WC.)

    Joke all you want about Rakitic, but we won with him, and lost without him.

    @DannyJ-U might be right, but it would be more likely if we were in 3rd place. He could comeback & be a national hero after all the haters ripped on him undeservedly.

    Srna so good at going right, but also you can send him a lazer & he will drop the ball softly EVERYTIME. The guy is solid. Vrsaljko on left would be fine (Pivaric doesn’t seem to use his left foot anyway.)



  112. Dannyj says:

    Again I didn’t watch the game but u all said vida played well
    He consistently shows up and puts in effort
    That’s all we need these guys to put in effort and get on same page then the talent we have is enough to win most games
    Anyways guys we are still in it
    We have hard games but indeed very winnable
    We aren’t going into Germany in a must win in Germany
    Ukraine is good but they ain’t some power house

    And for real if we can’t beat Finland at home then we don’t deserve it





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