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ARMADA87
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ARMADA87
Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 4, 2012, 12:19
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To be honest, my Croatian is shaky; reading, writing and speaking. For the record though, both sides of my family have ties to Croatia going back 600+ years. For fucks sake, there is a town in Istra named after my last name.
Anyway, any convo between Croats not living in Croatia always comes to this; who is more Croatian, who speaks it better, whose region is better, yada yada yada. I could careless where you're from or if you're distantly related to King Tomislav or Stjepan Radic, doesn't make you, me or anyone else better or 'more Croatian'.

Yes, history is not taught just in books. Of course you have to listen to second hand accounts, family, friends, etc. But you have to take it all with a grain of salt. If you follow just your family, just books and scholars or government propaganda, you'll never learn or see things from a different viewpoint. If I for instance just listened to my dad, I would be more an Italian sympathizer and not associate as a Croat. However, I took his stories, his knowledge with a grain a salt, found out things on my own, read books, journals, etc. and came to my own conclusions. If I just listened to what the NDH and Ustasa had to say about their vision of Croatia, I would be small minded, zenophobe. If I follow the IDS, all I would care for is Istra and seeing that Istra becomes an autonomous region (which I strongly disagree with). See what I'm saying? So hey, you can win this battle of who is more Croatian, congrats. I guess my Croatianness just isn't up to snuff. Let me know next time you come to NYC though, so I can slap some sense into you ;) :D

nije bitno
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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 4, 2012, 13:25
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You aint slapping shit! I'll have you screaming ZA DOM SPREMNI in 2.5 seconds. In all reality we will never hangout i don't associate myself with people like you. Thanks for the invite though.

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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 5, 2012, 09:02
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You support the Ustashi you support Ante Pavelic they go hand in hand together, no need for the childish games.

I don't support the Ustashi for one main reason:

Puppet state, "A puppet state has also been described as an entity which lacks independence: it preserves the external paraphernalia of independence (e.g. name, flag, anthem, constitution, law codes, motto) but in reality is an organ of another state who has propelled its trusted ally from within the target nation into power"

There is nothing patriotic on being a foreign countries little bitch, I take no pride in it.

nije bitno
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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 5, 2012, 09:47
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good for you

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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 5, 2012, 09:54
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Nothing intelligent to comment I see.

nije bitno
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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 5, 2012, 10:19
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Check it out. I got into it with Armada87 and then i got to thinking, I believe in what i believe in and stand behind it 100% but then again so does he. I'm 30 years old and am not going to argue with every single person that tries to step up. Its not worth it you wont change me and i wont change you.

Nizic
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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 8, 2012, 11:48
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I am proud of my croatian heritage and very proud of Ustaha , Ante Pavelic NDH Carsinal Stepinac and so on I feel sorry for you self hating Croats im not on this site looking for friends and support I know who my friends are and laugh at you jugoslavs who think you know what your talking about puppet state for example is a term the jews put out there i cant believe some of you get easily influened by the enemy and dont respect the truth of the people who tried so hard to fight for our independence Za dom Spremni Hrvatska za Hrvati -U-

Drina
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on: April 25, 2012, 19:32
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Oh wow, I missed this one. Since I added in the other thread I might as well add my two cents here while I'm here. Firstly dude, take your Political Science degree that isn't worth the paper that it's written on, and go ask for a refund at whatever post-secondary institution that gave it to you. I always said that the first thing they should teach undergrad students is what concrete examples of logical fallacies are - step one, logical fallacy:I have a degree in X (an undergrad) so when talking about Y, my opinions are actually facts and I trump all arguments without arguing anything simply by the use of my undergrad. I MUST know what I'm talking about. Just to make a couple adjustments to your claims/ "facts" - so that the average reader isn't mislead by such ridiculous "logic" -
1. From 1941-1945 the only country that existed de jure and de facto was the Independent State of Croatia. The first Yugoslavia and it's monarch government were recognized de jure by the Allies until Tehran, unfortunately for them, they had absolutely no de facto control over most of the territory they claimed - they ceased to exist on the ground when their government fled. Communist Yugoslavia, though at times from from 1943 (AVNOJ) to 1945 had some de facto control, predominantly in Croatia, they had no de jure control until 1945 when the new Yugoslavian state was formally established. Since I know a thing or two about International Law and the recognition of states, the only state that existed from that time legitimately was the Independent State of Croatia. During the Eichmann trial, it is also interesting to know (well after the war) that he, while describing all Minor Axis nations referred to only Croatia as to be treated as a "republic" while all others were deemed Satellite States.
2. The Duke of Spalato was never the Head of State, the Head of the Croatian Government (not Pavelic who was the leader of the movement) was the head of State. If the Duke of Spalato was in fact the Head of State, that would have been until 1943 when the Rome Accords were deemed null and void. It is interesting to note though that Pavelic specifically offered this diplomatic crown to the Italian house of Savoy (which is partially Croatian) as a bunt to Mussolini - those of us who know about Italian History know that Mussolini couldn't stand the Italian Monarch.
3.The only real free thought in the wartime state was actually after the Rome Agreements - Dalmatian members of the Ustasa movement protested along with thousands of others in the heart of Zagreb - so much for their sympathies. Also, forget all the memorandums sent at the time noted by anyone who actually ever read "Branili Smo Drzavu". The Ustaska Vojnica was so sympathetic to Italians, that they weren't even allowed into the Italian Zones of Influence - because they were so trusted by the Italians.... Hilariously enough many of them put on Domobran Uniforms and went in anyway.
4."Selling Croatia". Last time I checked, in order to "sell" something, you have to possess it. After the invasion of Yugoslavia in April of 1941, the only troops in Dalmacija were some 200 thousand Italian ones. They sat there and waited patiently until the new Croatian government and the Kingdom of Italy made a deal over Croatia's Western border, it is also interesting to note that at that time there was about 1000 Ustasa combat-ready soldiers and the Domobranstvo (regular Army) was not established. So ya, Pavelic proclaimed a state, but what did he have? Did he have 200 thousand Croatian soldiers in Dalmacija controlling the territory who backed out after he "sold" them? These are KPJ fairytales for little kids who don't know how to think.

I suggest you read a book, and I'm going to sign this as a 100 percent Croatian Dalmatian, whos Dalmatian grandfather told him one important thing: "You had to be illiterate to join the partizani".

Drina
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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: April 25, 2012, 19:51
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I would also like to add that I find it utterly disgusting that someone who calls himself a Croat - and has resources via western-world academia and objective thought - openly spits on one of the most tragic eras of Croatian history and indirectly the hundreds of thousands who perished fighting for everyone who wants to call themselves Croatian.

Nizic
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Post Re: Team Ustasa
on: August 23, 2012, 02:34
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Ustasa I moj Caca, all you so called croats dislike anyrhing about Ustasas are all Yugo lovers, didn't fight for fuck all in either war "Pussies"

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